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	<title>Comments on: If We Can&#8217;t Beat Them, Let&#8217;s Compete With Them!</title>
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		<title>By: Minnesota Attorney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesota Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the thrust of your post regarding the need for attorneys to provide services to those unable to pay normal attorney rates.  However, one additional factor may be worth consideration.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You noted that &quot;Clients who believe that their cases were mishandled have sued We the People  and the FTC has fined the company for deceptive advertising practices,&quot; adding that &quot;Those efforts should be sufficient to protect clients from the inadequacies of document prep services.&quot; I have represented clients who purchased document prep services online. Customers of such services often do not have the money to sue the online company, especially after suffering the harm in there case (often from litigation over poorly drafted contracts). Thus, there is a need for document prep companies to be stopped. Maybe they will be stopped by market forces as attorneys find ways (like you suggested) to provide document preparation services at lower rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the thrust of your post regarding the need for attorneys to provide services to those unable to pay normal attorney rates.  However, one additional factor may be worth consideration.</p>
<p>You noted that &#8220;Clients who believe that their cases were mishandled have sued We the People  and the FTC has fined the company for deceptive advertising practices,&#8221; adding that &#8220;Those efforts should be sufficient to protect clients from the inadequacies of document prep services.&#8221; I have represented clients who purchased document prep services online. Customers of such services often do not have the money to sue the online company, especially after suffering the harm in there case (often from litigation over poorly drafted contracts). Thus, there is a need for document prep companies to be stopped. Maybe they will be stopped by market forces as attorneys find ways (like you suggested) to provide document preparation services at lower rates.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Little David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested in beginning a WTP. There are so many needs in my community. We have a largely hispanic comminuty and like it or not,believe it or not,accept it or not, hispanics are coming and we need to get prepared for it.
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I will assist in helping hispanisc fill out and file proper paperwork that INS and Bureaue of Citizenship and Immigration needs. ANd charge a fee. Maybe not whta the lawyer would charge. But a hispanic friend of mine has paid a lawywer 1,200.00 for paper filing and has recieved nothing but lies and requests for more money. I could do it for less than that and Keep my word to boot.
Hell yes. WTP is necessary and viable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested in beginning a WTP. There are so many needs in my community. We have a largely hispanic comminuty and like it or not,believe it or not,accept it or not, hispanics are coming and we need to get prepared for it.<br />
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I will assist in helping hispanisc fill out and file proper paperwork that INS and Bureaue of Citizenship and Immigration needs. ANd charge a fee. Maybe not whta the lawyer would charge. But a hispanic friend of mine has paid a lawywer 1,200.00 for paper filing and has recieved nothing but lies and requests for more money. I could do it for less than that and Keep my word to boot.<br />
Hell yes. WTP is necessary and viable.</p>
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		<title>By: Little David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Research is worth money.That&#039;s what I do and it&#039;s worth getting paid for if one is any good. And I&#039;m good.
Another note: Can I do my own divorce if not contested. I&#039;, a 46 year old man who has paid his dues. I&#039;ve worked the gambit. Paid the bills. And now my wife of 28 years wants to play granny now. Now thgat we&#039;ve got our two kids raised and married. One has two girls.Our grands. My wife wants to do the granny thing now. I&#039;m sick of waiting. She asked me does she have to cghoose between me and the kids.Hell, yes. I shopuld thinnk so. I&#039;ve worked hard for these kids. They are raised. But they cxan&#039;t s..t without her knoowing it and qwioll call us uin the middle of the night to ask a stupid question. And she will forget us and all that we are doing to accomodate them.I have had it.
I cook,clean, work fulltimne,bring floewers and candies,plan vqcations and all this other.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research is worth money.That&#8217;s what I do and it&#8217;s worth getting paid for if one is any good. And I&#8217;m good.<br />
Another note: Can I do my own divorce if not contested. I&#8217;, a 46 year old man who has paid his dues. I&#8217;ve worked the gambit. Paid the bills. And now my wife of 28 years wants to play granny now. Now thgat we&#8217;ve got our two kids raised and married. One has two girls.Our grands. My wife wants to do the granny thing now. I&#8217;m sick of waiting. She asked me does she have to cghoose between me and the kids.Hell, yes. I shopuld thinnk so. I&#8217;ve worked hard for these kids. They are raised. But they cxan&#8217;t s..t without her knoowing it and qwioll call us uin the middle of the night to ask a stupid question. And she will forget us and all that we are doing to accomodate them.I have had it.<br />
I cook,clean, work fulltimne,bring floewers and candies,plan vqcations and all this other.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife purchased a WTP franchise last year.  I am happy to come across lawyers honestly discussing the issue of document preparers.  Most often pseudo concern for consumers is all that is offered.
As we all know, a large segment of the population simply cannot afford the price of an attorney.  Pretending to oppose document preparers in a benevolent effort to protect consumers is utter nonsense.  Some people have no interest and/or no financial ability to retain a lawyer.
On a personal note, and a reason I support my wife&#039;s decision to open a WTP, when I divorced my first wife a decade ago, we both spent a small fortune in legal fees for an outcome that was preordained before we started.
She received custody of our children and a weekly subsidy check.  I received basically nothing.  This was the exact proposal made by my ex-wife prior to the initiation of divorce proceedings.
It wasn&#039;t until we both had consulted with attorneys that we actually thought things would turn out differently and the fighting began.  So much for the legal establishment looking out for our interests.  The only thing the attorneys were interested in was our money and logging as many billable hours as possible.
This is the Internet, and you are fairly anonymous, so let&#039;s be honest.  WTP employees clearly emphasize the fact that they are not lawyers.  Even if they wanted to give customers legal advice, they have neither the training nor the education to do so.  WTP customers knowingly choose to represent themselves...WTP provides them the resources to do it.
Arrogant lawyers that have created a system designed to confuse and frustrate are confused and frustrated that some people dare to handle their own legal matters.  On a positive note, the battle between lawyers and document preparers has generated business for some lawyers.  And at least this need is legitimate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife purchased a WTP franchise last year.  I am happy to come across lawyers honestly discussing the issue of document preparers.  Most often pseudo concern for consumers is all that is offered.<br />
As we all know, a large segment of the population simply cannot afford the price of an attorney.  Pretending to oppose document preparers in a benevolent effort to protect consumers is utter nonsense.  Some people have no interest and/or no financial ability to retain a lawyer.<br />
On a personal note, and a reason I support my wife&#8217;s decision to open a WTP, when I divorced my first wife a decade ago, we both spent a small fortune in legal fees for an outcome that was preordained before we started.<br />
She received custody of our children and a weekly subsidy check.  I received basically nothing.  This was the exact proposal made by my ex-wife prior to the initiation of divorce proceedings.<br />
It wasn&#8217;t until we both had consulted with attorneys that we actually thought things would turn out differently and the fighting began.  So much for the legal establishment looking out for our interests.  The only thing the attorneys were interested in was our money and logging as many billable hours as possible.<br />
This is the Internet, and you are fairly anonymous, so let&#8217;s be honest.  WTP employees clearly emphasize the fact that they are not lawyers.  Even if they wanted to give customers legal advice, they have neither the training nor the education to do so.  WTP customers knowingly choose to represent themselves&#8230;WTP provides them the resources to do it.<br />
Arrogant lawyers that have created a system designed to confuse and frustrate are confused and frustrated that some people dare to handle their own legal matters.  On a positive note, the battle between lawyers and document preparers has generated business for some lawyers.  And at least this need is legitimate.</p>
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